Yet Another Reason Not to Trust Your Pastor
If you don’t immediately see a problem with this, then you might be in a cult.
Chuck Baldwin spoke about this a few weeks ago. His take?
Remember that every apostle of Christ (except John) was killed by hostile civil authorities opposed to their endeavors. Christians throughout church history were imprisoned, tortured, or killed by civil authorities of all stripes for refusing to submit to their various laws and prohibitions. Did all of these Christian martyrs violate God’s principle of submission to authority?
[I]n America the “higher powers” are not the men who occupy elected office, they are the tenets and principles set forth in the U.S. Constitution. Under our laws and form of government, it is the duty of every citizen, including our elected officials, to obey the U.S. Constitution. Therefore, this is how Romans Chapter 13 reads to Americans:
Let every soul be subject unto the [U.S. Constitution.]….
And I completely agree with Mr. Baldwin.
Ask your pastor what he would do in a situation such as that presented in this video clip. If he would comply with the government in such a case, leave that church now. You are being led by a wolf, and he has no concern for your well-being. Only harm can come from remaining under such a man.
October 31st, 2007 at 4:37 pm
1.No word about gun confiscations in either news piece. 2. Weren’t federal & state laws passed post- Katrina forbidding gun confiscation in light of new Katrina’s?
November 1st, 2007 at 9:30 am
Perhaps, but in the case of a “Catastrophic Emergency,” the President can/will do whatever he wants to, including confiscating any and all weaponry.
October 20th, 2008 at 10:41 pm
I’m afraid the video’s been taken down. Bummer.
October 21st, 2008 at 11:13 am
Thanks for noticing, Paul! I’ve replaced the link with another (working!) copy of the clip, so it’s good to go.
October 21st, 2008 at 4:32 pm
Travis, this was fascinating. I suspect that I’m one of a majority of Americans who don’t know about the law keeping the American military from police action on U.S. soil, or that the law’s been repealed. Our government continues to take steps towards allowing a government that can control people in ways that we think will never happen, assuming the best of our government, even as we accuse them of the worst. Amazing. Thank you for posting this. Now, I wish I had found this last year when you posted it, not yesterday.
As for your comment/question regarding how a pastor should respond… that’s a great one. I agree with the pastors involved – obey the government. On the other hand, I suspect that, as we submit in this arena, we will simply be falling right into the government’s plans (albeit maybe not this or the next administration’s) of slowly creating a government that controls the people, not of the people, and the Constitution will become simply a paper we give lip service to. I know it sounds crazy, but as I watch the Star Wars movies, I see that stuff happening, slowly but surely, in our country. Maybe not in my lifetime, but what about my sons’? So, I wonder if you’re right, too. The bottom line is that we must obey what we believe God’s calling us to on this one.
This doesn’t even consider the question of non-violent response vs. the one of the reasons our Founding Fathers wrote our 2nd Amendment in the first place. How does that fit in to your theology. I haven’t yet figured out how it fits into mine.
October 22nd, 2008 at 3:40 pm
Paul,
You say, “I agree with the pastors involved – obey the government.” Did you read Mr. Baldwin’s article? In it, he says this:
More food for thought, I suppose. I would say that we’re already in a place and time where the Constitution is “simply a paper we give lip service to.”
But I will staunchly insist on this point: any man who is in a situation like post-Katrina New Orleans, who has a wife or daughter and willingly hands over his firearm(s), thus choosing to provide no protection for them against a violent intruder? That man is worse than an unbeliever.