Comments on: Prepare To Meet Your Maker http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html Sarasota, FL web designer & developer Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:40:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor…” at The Second Mouse Gets the Cheese http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-17439 “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor…” at The Second Mouse Gets the Cheese Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:47:24 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-17439 [...] to and from this men’s meeting. There was also a discussion with Jonno in the comments on my “Prepare To Meet Your Maker” post… Anyway, I definitely had 1 John on my mind as I was going into this. Now, the reason I [...] [...] to and from this men’s meeting. There was also a discussion with Jonno in the comments on my “Prepare To Meet Your Maker” post… Anyway, I definitely had 1 John on my mind as I was going into this. Now, the reason I [...]

]]> By: Travis http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16983 Travis Fri, 09 Feb 2007 15:19:06 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16983 Jonno, <em>"I asked Jesus to forgive my sins, and He forgave all of my sins, so now I only 'thank Him' for His forgiveness. How do you view this?"</em> I'd say I agree with the doctrine, but the practice can get slippery. Yes, those sins have been forgiven, but we still need to <em>repent</em>. As <a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20John%202:4&version=47" rel="nofollow">1 John 2:4</a> says, <cite>"Whoever says 'I know him' but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him."</cite> If you don't keep his commandments, then you don't know him. If you don't know him, and you know you <em>ought</em> to know him, then repentance is called for. Jesus has already suffered once for sin, and no other atonement for sin can be made with which to grant forgiveness—but the gospel calls us (over and over again) to "repent and believe." If we're sinning then at least one of those two things isn't happening in our hearts, and repentance is wholly appropriate. So yes, it is a form of unbelief to think Jesus' blood is insufficient apart from your perfect memory of each and every sin. However, it is likewise a form of unbelief to ignore the gospel's call to repent. So long as you repent, I see no Biblical injunction for a continual plea of forgiveness. Jonno,

“I asked Jesus to forgive my sins, and He forgave all of my sins, so now I only ‘thank Him’ for His forgiveness. How do you view this?”

I’d say I agree with the doctrine, but the practice can get slippery. Yes, those sins have been forgiven, but we still need to repent. As 1 John 2:4 says, “Whoever says ‘I know him’ but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him.” If you don’t keep his commandments, then you don’t know him. If you don’t know him, and you know you ought to know him, then repentance is called for.

Jesus has already suffered once for sin, and no other atonement for sin can be made with which to grant forgiveness—but the gospel calls us (over and over again) to “repent and believe.” If we’re sinning then at least one of those two things isn’t happening in our hearts, and repentance is wholly appropriate.

So yes, it is a form of unbelief to think Jesus’ blood is insufficient apart from your perfect memory of each and every sin. However, it is likewise a form of unbelief to ignore the gospel’s call to repent. So long as you repent, I see no Biblical injunction for a continual plea of forgiveness.

]]> By: Jonno http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16980 Jonno Fri, 09 Feb 2007 08:47:27 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16980 That's great, Travis--exactly what I think about "keeping a short account", too. I remember the days when I'd try and confess everything bad I did (that day). I was kidding myself, but y'know it made me feel righteous afterward, like I suddenly turned white once again. I think this anti-christ, self glorifying belief system is so common, as the college of my dean was talking about it onetime in class. He shared how he likes to ask forgiveness of his sins as he thinks of them. I shot my hand up to ask a question. "If Jesus has forgiven you of your sins, past, present. and future, why keep asking Him to forgive you, if He has already forgiven you?" And this very theologically minded, dean of the college, who has written a published book on sanctification, gave me this dazed look and said "I dunno! - I guess it just makes me feel right" It took me by surprise, but made me question some things. I decided I would never ask forgiveness of my sins again, never, never again! I asked Jesus to forgive my sins, and He forgave all of my sins, so now I only 'thank Him' for His forgiveness. How do you view this? Sorry about the LJ switching. :) That’s great, Travis–exactly what I think about “keeping a short account”, too. I remember the days when I’d try and confess everything bad I did (that day). I was kidding myself, but y’know it made me feel righteous afterward, like I suddenly turned white once again. I think this anti-christ, self glorifying belief system is so common, as the college of my dean was talking about it onetime in class. He shared how he likes to ask forgiveness of his sins as he thinks of them. I shot my hand up to ask a question. “If Jesus has forgiven you of your sins, past, present. and future, why keep asking Him to forgive you, if He has already forgiven you?” And this very theologically minded, dean of the college, who has written a published book on sanctification, gave me this dazed look and said “I dunno! – I guess it just makes me feel right” It took me by surprise, but made me question some things. I decided I would never ask forgiveness of my sins again, never, never again! I asked Jesus to forgive my sins, and He forgave all of my sins, so now I only ‘thank Him’ for His forgiveness. How do you view this?

Sorry about the LJ switching. :)

]]> By: Travis http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16976 Travis Thu, 08 Feb 2007 18:13:19 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16976 Jonno, <strong>LJ:</strong> I'm not posting there anymore, but that's what you get for changing accounts and not telling me what the new one is. ;) (I figured it out, though.) <strong>"keeping a short account:"</strong> I think that's bordering on legalism. While we should confess and repent of our sins, the act of confessing can itself become a work by which we consider ourselves righteous before God. If our salvation depends upon our ability to recall each and every sin that we've committed, then aren't we <em>all</em> in trouble! :o Jonno,

LJ: I’m not posting there anymore, but that’s what you get for changing accounts and not telling me what the new one is. ;) (I figured it out, though.) "keeping a short account:" I think that’s bordering on legalism. While we should confess and repent of our sins, the act of confessing can itself become a work by which we consider ourselves righteous before God. If our salvation depends upon our ability to recall each and every sin that we’ve committed, then aren’t we all in trouble! :o

]]> By: Jonno http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16968 Jonno Thu, 08 Feb 2007 06:48:09 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16968 Hi Travis, when are you gonna add me as one of your privileged? (on LJ so I don't have to check Ruth's friend's page). I think it's good to keep ourselves "in check" so to speak, to re-evaluate the content of our minds, realign ourselves with what is good, proper and true. Even to ask the Lord to burn away the rubbish (which there is enough of) and refine us, day by day. But do you follow with what they call "keeping a short account"? or confessing your sins every day, before you go to bed business? :) Hi Travis, when are you gonna add me as one of your privileged? (on LJ so I don’t have to check Ruth’s friend’s page).

I think it’s good to keep ourselves “in check” so to speak, to re-evaluate the content of our minds, realign ourselves with what is good, proper and true. Even to ask the Lord to burn away the rubbish (which there is enough of) and refine us, day by day. But do you follow with what they call “keeping a short account”? or confessing your sins every day, before you go to bed business? :)

]]> By: Russell http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16926 Russell Wed, 07 Feb 2007 20:25:31 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16926 FYI- your blog is showing up fine now. FYI- your blog is showing up fine now.

]]> By: Travis http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16859 Travis Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:30:17 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16859 Ha! What, Dan—the Holy Spirit's work can't feel creepy sometimes? ;) Ha!

What, Dan—the Holy Spirit’s work can’t feel creepy sometimes? ;)

]]> By: DLE http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html/comment-page-1#comment-16858 DLE Tue, 06 Feb 2007 20:27:26 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/prepare-to-meet-your-maker.html#comment-16858 What, the Holy Spirit can't inspire the use of unordered lists? ;-) What, the Holy Spirit can’t inspire the use of unordered lists? ;-)

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