Comments on: “If among you, one of your brothers should become poor” http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html Sarasota, FL web designer & developer Thu, 09 Feb 2012 02:40:18 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.3.1 By: Pocket Lining in the Church | truthunvailed http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-21053 Pocket Lining in the Church | truthunvailed Sun, 06 Nov 2011 20:20:51 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-21053 [...] 15:7-11 (which I wrote about recently) provides the framework for all God-glorifying giving, and serves as the “spirit of the law” [...] [...] 15:7-11 (which I wrote about recently) provides the framework for all God-glorifying giving, and serves as the “spirit of the law” [...]

]]> By: Julie from IB http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-19760 Julie from IB Thu, 20 Mar 2008 01:56:54 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-19760 I encounter poorness (not that that is a word) but not poverty on a regular basis. In my former city, poverty was a daily interaction. On the advise of a shelter worker friend, I purchased a number of gift certificates to local fast food joints. I hand them out in the hopes that food is consumed rather than bartered. But, that is not my choice. My only duty is to help as I am able and in my own way. And I agree that asking about this month's budget is especially taboo for men. When I was working full-time; the women would talk salary amounts, budgeting, and bills. The men would politely remove themselves from the conversation. It was just uncomfortable. Travis, how do you propose bringing men to the point where this would be acceptable? My suspicion is that by being labeled the Provider, the admission of financial glitches is equated to failure. Do you feel this is the case? I encounter poorness (not that that is a word) but not poverty on a regular basis. In my former city, poverty was a daily interaction. On the advise of a shelter worker friend, I purchased a number of gift certificates to local fast food joints. I hand them out in the hopes that food is consumed rather than bartered. But, that is not my choice. My only duty is to help as I am able and in my own way.

And I agree that asking about this month’s budget is especially taboo for men. When I was working full-time; the women would talk salary amounts, budgeting, and bills. The men would politely remove themselves from the conversation. It was just uncomfortable. Travis, how do you propose bringing men to the point where this would be acceptable? My suspicion is that by being labeled the Provider, the admission of financial glitches is equated to failure. Do you feel this is the case?

]]> By: Nancy (aka 'money coach" http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-18593 Nancy (aka 'money coach" Sun, 10 Jun 2007 04:56:11 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-18593 OK - I'm not sure there's any technical scriptural basis, but, regarding post #2 from Russell: 5 years ago, I chose to move into Vancouver (Canada's) poorest neighbourhood. Sort of. There are a few blocks interspersed that have ultra-funky lofts etc. That's actually where I live, BUT, do I ever encounter the addicts, the homeless, the mentally ill, the halt-and-the-lame on a daily basis. Over time, my politics have altered completely, as has my understanding of what it is to be homeless/addicted. Half the people are such ... unhealthy spectres...I wish we could simply provide a home and vast expanse of park for them to live out their days in some kind of peace. I DESPERATELY wish lots, and lots, and lots of christians would move in to the 'hood: not to preach, convert, judge, but to give alms (yes, some of it may go to drugs. or some of it may buy a slice of pizza and get a bit of protein into the person), to lobby for housing, to practice kindness. So, if you aren't encountering poverty where you are, would you consider going to where the poverty is? OK – I’m not sure there’s any technical scriptural basis, but, regarding post #2 from Russell: 5 years ago, I chose to move into Vancouver (Canada’s) poorest neighbourhood. Sort of. There are a few blocks interspersed that have ultra-funky lofts etc. That’s actually where I live, BUT, do I ever encounter the addicts, the homeless, the mentally ill, the halt-and-the-lame on a daily basis. Over time, my politics have altered completely, as has my understanding of what it is to be homeless/addicted. Half the people are such … unhealthy spectres…I wish we could simply provide a home and vast expanse of park for them to live out their days in some kind of peace. I DESPERATELY wish lots, and lots, and lots of christians would move in to the ‘hood: not to preach, convert, judge, but to give alms (yes, some of it may go to drugs. or some of it may buy a slice of pizza and get a bit of protein into the person), to lobby for housing, to practice kindness.
So, if you aren’t encountering poverty where you are, would you consider going to where the poverty is?

]]> By: What Does the Bible Say About the Tithe? at The Second Mouse Gets the Cheese http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-18007 What Does the Bible Say About the Tithe? at The Second Mouse Gets the Cheese Wed, 14 Mar 2007 17:16:43 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-18007 [...] 15:7-11 (which I wrote about recently) provides the framework for all God-glorifying giving, and serves as the “spirit of the [...] [...] 15:7-11 (which I wrote about recently) provides the framework for all God-glorifying giving, and serves as the “spirit of the [...]

]]> By: Travis http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-17749 Travis Sun, 18 Feb 2007 02:47:53 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-17749 Thanks, Russell. I think before we look for ways to serve the community in general, though, we need to make sure our brothers and sisters "under our roof" are doing alright. It's odd to me, but financial difficulties are about the last thing you'll hear about from most people in the church. :( I hope it's not because we get to feeling like pitching in on a brother's bills for the month isn't "spiritual," but sometimes it seems a bit like that. On the other hand, it's the sort of thing that makes enough people uncomfortable that I almost feel like we couldn't really do it without some sort of "top-down" decree from the pastors. It's like there's an expectation that we ask our brothers how their "quiet times" are going, but it's taboo to ask if they can make rent this month... y'know? :neutral: Thanks, Russell. I think before we look for ways to serve the community in general, though, we need to make sure our brothers and sisters “under our roof” are doing alright. It’s odd to me, but financial difficulties are about the last thing you’ll hear about from most people in the church. :( I hope it’s not because we get to feeling like pitching in on a brother’s bills for the month isn’t “spiritual,” but sometimes it seems a bit like that. On the other hand, it’s the sort of thing that makes enough people uncomfortable that I almost feel like we couldn’t really do it without some sort of “top-down” decree from the pastors. It’s like there’s an expectation that we ask our brothers how their “quiet times” are going, but it’s taboo to ask if they can make rent this month… y’know? :neutral:

]]> By: Russell http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-17747 Russell Sat, 17 Feb 2007 23:55:57 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-17747 "and said it better than I did." Actually I think you said it quite well. The challenge for me is that I do not really cross paths with poor. Where does your life have regular points of tangency with the lives of the poor? How can we be more intentional in serving the poor in baltimore and harford counties? “and said it better than I did.” Actually I think you said it quite well. The challenge for me is that I do not really cross paths with poor. Where does your life have regular points of tangency with the lives of the poor? How can we be more intentional in serving the poor in baltimore and harford counties?

]]> By: Travis http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-17441 Travis Thu, 15 Feb 2007 15:58:05 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-17441 Hmm... well, telling him to "go get a real job" isn't necessarily wrong. You just have to give him room and board first. :cool: Hmm… well, telling him to “go get a real job” isn’t necessarily wrong. You just have to give him room and board first. :cool:

]]> By: Kneon Transitt http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html/comment-page-1#comment-17440 Kneon Transitt Thu, 15 Feb 2007 12:57:33 +0000 http://travis.webseitler.com/2007/02/if-among-you-one-of-your-brothers-should-become-poor.html#comment-17440 So that time I kicked the blind beggar... told him to go get a real job... I was... wrong? 8-O Gosh, I'm awful. But... everybody knows that by now. ;-) So that time I kicked the blind beggar… told him to go get a real job… I was… wrong? 8-O

Gosh, I’m awful. But… everybody knows that by now. ;-)

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